Shooting Straight 11-Year Anniversary Edition, with Bill Mick

Bill Mick, host of Bill Mick Live on WMMB and iHeartRADIO, joins Royce on the mics on this 11-year anniversary of the Shooting Straight Radio show to discuss Florida gun control laws, namely the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Act, a hideous law that assaulted the rights of Florida citizens of all ages, but especially 18-20-year-old adults, who were stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights overnight.

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ROYCE: Okay, now y 'all heard Mr. Maynard, let's go.
We're locked and loaded on the Shooting Straight Radio podcast. This is the program
all about firearms, the Second Amendment, and all all things pertaining thereto.
I am Royce, your host. Yep, still saturated with gunshot residue, toxic masculinity
and a faint yet oh so wildly, tantalizing whiff of the cologne of my people.
That would be Hoppe's #9, absolutely. We got a great program in store for you
today. We have the 11th anniversary edition of the Shooting Straight Radio podcast.
And with me here is none other than Mr. Bill Mick, host of Bill Mick Live.
You can hear him weekday mornings from six to nine AM on the iHeart Radio app on
WMMB. Bill, great to have you here, brother. - 

BILL: Thanks for having me, Royce. Good to
see you, pal. - 

ROYCE: Well, thank you so much. A lot of you already know that Bill
actually got this program started back in 2014. He's the one that we he and I met
each other at a gun company that I had founded with another man named Norm Weaver and got to meet Bill because I was going to be buying some advertising space and I wanted it to be on his program only. Well, the representative,
I think I think that was George, brought you with him out there to seal the deal,
and we ended up talking about firearms, the Second Amendment and such, and Bill didn't know I was a big fan of his program already, and Bill, I'll let you tell
your side of the story here a little bit. >>

BILL: George comes to me and says, "Hey,
I've got a gun store that wants to advertise on your show. God would love to meet
you," and I said, "Sure, happy to go out," And we show up at your office one day,
and great facility you had. You were set up nicely doing some good things already.
And then I hear this voice that makes me think of CW McCall or something. And I'm
thinking to George, "George, he can do better than just advertising on the station
here." With this guy's voice, with the knowledge that he has, his ability to
communicate, let's put him on the air. Let's get him into a show on the weekends
where he can develop an audience and talk to a niche audience, yes, but a big one,
about Second Amendment issues. That kind of program is going to go well. We talked
to you about it. It seemed a little enticing, and lo and behold, it wasn't very
long. We had you on the air. We had you on the air for a good long time before
this podcast thing became as viable as it could be for you. We We're honored to
have you. Your show took off like a rocket and we were getting commentary on it.
And when you were available, you even sat in and guest hosted my show when I was
out on vacation or whatever. So it turned into a really good thing for the radio
station and for Royce Bartlett. And I'm tickled to death for you, man. - Well, thank
you so much. This thing has taken off pretty hard, but it's a, wow. It's kind of
stunning to me that it's been downloaded in like almost 80 countries now in about 3
,500 different American cities and getting quite a following. - There's no doubt in my
mind. - Yeah, so I've been enjoying it. I get a lot of fan mail.
By the way, if you wanna send some fan mail or cuss me out, whatever one, I don't
care. If you go on to your episode page there, scroll down the very top portion of
the episode description, says send us a text. Click on that. Now, not all podcast
platforms will make the link and the connection on that, but most of them, like
Spotify and iHeart, will click on that and you can simply send us a text and we'll
receive it here. And matter of fact, shootingstraigradio .buzzsprout .com,
if you click on the upper banner where it says fan mail, you might see your fan
mail posted there and I sure appreciate it. It's just as much fun to put up the
ones that aren't fan mail because people react to those too. It is fun absolutely.
Of course you don't get any of those I do. No I get plenty of them believe me
but well you've had your share of winners a matter of fact your one of them in
particular I remember became one of my haters because he was one of your haters and
I guess as I earned it by proxy, but the guy was a, would you call him Steve the
Jew -hater? - Yes. - Flaming neo -Nazi type guy. - Last time I knew about this guy,
he lives somewhere around here. - He does, I know exactly where he lives. - That's a
good thing you do. - And a friend of mine in one of the three letter agencies
decided to check him out after he noticed some things online. - I used to keep his
- Picture posted in the studio for George Medina when he was producing the show and
for anybody around the office who might see the guy show up because he was that
kind of whack job. - Oh, he was indeed. He would lie. He would have somebody else
call the program because they knew George recognized his voice. And then once they
come on the air of that guy, whoever it was, would hand that guy that would hand
Steve the Jew hater the phone. And then he would start off on one of his little
Nazi tangents and such, but quite a piece of work, man. We both experienced that.
Think about the things that you've gone through on the show, both on the radio and
with the podcast. Since you got started, you were in 2014, the middle of Barack
Obama's second term, and they'd already gone after firearms in a big way. And the
things they tried to implement the things they did with banking institutions and de
-platforming those entities that either sold or financed gun stores and the like.
You've been through a world of things, and that's part of why someone with your
knowledge, someone with your experience, had a show that was relevant and continues
to be relevant today. >> It's always relevant, I believe, Bill, of the right to
keep and bear arms for self self -preservation for defensive your home and family,
for defensive your city, your state, your country. That is something that was woven
into the Second Amendment. All the writings of the founders, and I know I'm
preaching to the choir here, but they all agreed with this notion of the people
being literally a military force. - Yes. - That's how they viewed the citizenry. We
were to be a military force, because in their eyes, and it's true, there's no other
way to defend your freedoms unless you are armed. Unless your people are ready to
do it, yeah, absolutely. I've said this before, Bill, like states like New York and
Illinois, New Jersey and such. I refer to them as communist -occupied territories,
but worse yet, brother, they have been conquered. They have been conquered because
they are all unarmed and they have really no political say in anything if they're
leaders or their political appointees or electees or whatever decide they want to
shove more gun control down their throat or some crazy law that says the state has
more rights over your children than you do well you ain't got much to say about
that. That's true. That happened in California actually, and in Oregon, first they
passed these major assault weapons bans, and then suddenly these state has more
rights over your kids than you do laws started coming out. I don't think that's a
coincidence, personally. >> Yeah, probably not. We just talked one on my show last
week in Illinois where they filed a bill that if parents who are homeschooling their
kids don't register their children in the nearest public school as homeschooled in
that region. And I swear it's got to do with money. They get to count every kid
on the list or something. That's got to be what that's about. They can actually
jail the parents for not filling out a registration form that is, "I'm homeschooling
my kid." >> And what state was that again? >> Illinois. >> Illinois, shocking.
They've all been pretty much disarmed, too, to a certain degree, to a very large
degree. >> Well, and California defeated one, which is surprising, didn't even get
through their assembly, didn't get through committees, where they wanted the schools
to be able to come in and inspect the homes of homeschooled children, saying,
well, they're not coming to school, so we can't tell if they're being abused or
not. I mean, they will go to any end to try to get control of your kids. It's
absolutely horrible. - Well, and they say that as if the state has some sort of,
not only a right, but a duty to protect your children from you. - Yeah, that's kind
of where that idea falls. We have more rights than you do. We have a duty to
protect your children, literally against you if necessary. Nope, I don't think so.
- Well, if necessary is one thing. If you're abusing your children, you deserve to
go. - Sure, absolutely. - But those routine inspections, when there's no indication of
anything going That's that's way out of line kind of like those safe storage laws
where they think they have the right to come into our house anytime they want to
make sure our guns are being stored safely too yeah exact and that's what those
laws are really all about you notice these laws they all passed always attack the
first second third fourth and fifth amendments yeah I wonder why that is good
question Royce well we now have an AG miss Pam Bondi federally who was our AG down
here in Florida. And we're going to talk mostly about Florida stuff today, probably,
of course, Second Amendment issues. But let me ask you how confident you are in Pam
Bondi as an AG and upholding the Second Amendment. >> In general, I'm fine with
her. She has some problems as an advocate for Stoneman Douglas.
And then the whole administration and the entire legislature, and this was under Rick
Scott as governor, not Ron DeSantis, but that whole administration, because of
Stoneman Douglas, the Parkland incident, Valentine's Day 2018, crafted in three weeks,
the most horrible piece of legislation that we've seen, it took rights away from
adult Floridians to purchase firearms, long guns that those kids,
who are now adults, can no longer buy. They can still possess them. They can be
gifted to them. But how do you dodge a straw purchase law when you go in and say,
"I'm dad and I'm buying my 18 -year -old son a gun for his house." Does that fit?
They're not allowed to do it. That's the point. Now, they can buy one as a gift
for him or her, but they cannot buy one. Their child cannot give them money to
purchase a firearm. So, in three weeks, the legislature crafts a piece of legislation
that takes these rights away from Floridians. And with promises on the back end,
we're going to fix this when we go back into session. I urged them at the time,
so did other people, go into special session in the summer. You don't need to fix
this in three weeks. You need time to research it and see what's going to be the
best choices. They did not do that. As Attorney General, her job to uphold it, but
she also could have worked in the administration to change the red flag portions of
that, which she did support, and that's a problem. Rick Scott and Marco Rubio both
approached those kind of things in the first Trump administration, wanted to put
those into play, have not happened on the federal level yet, and I hope they don't.
And I hope she's had a wake -up call. I think otherwise she'll be an effective
attorney general, we're already seeing things she's doing as far as the Department of
Government efficiency and the like, but I understand the mistrust that's out there by
some people. I do too, and I am certainly watching her like a hawk. But when you
go to bat for not only red flag laws, which are a flagrant violation of due
process law, then when you go to bat for upholding this 18 to 20 year old
prohibition from an entire class of law abiding adults.
And you take from them and say, well, because you are approximately the same age as
some little murderous snotwad who walked in and killed a bunch of his classmates and
a couple of teachers. Therefore, you have to pay for his crime by having rights
stripped from you. that fries my backside like a three foot tall flame. - I believe
it. I think there's an underlying problem to all of this and it's we don't have an
age of maturity anymore. It used to be, you knew 21 years old was the age of
maturity. That's when you were gonna vote. That's when you were gonna be able to
drink beer by cigarettes and by firearms. When we started playing with that, 18
years old. There was a period of time when I turned 18, I was able to buy beer.
Not that that I did because I was not a drinker, but there was a period of time
where 18 -year -olds got all those rights. Now they've slowly stripped those back,
including the firearms rights, but they can still be sure they ever re -institute a
draft. They still have to register for that draft. They can do other adult things,
like get a college loan that they may or may not have to pay for again. If we
had a singular age of maturity, if you want to be 18 fine. And there are states
where they want kids to vote at 16. But then again, it's because their minds are
immature. They want them voting left as opposed to right. So the underlying problem
is let's get an age of maturity. Let's make it 18, 21. I don't care which, make
it that. And that's fine. But if you're going to have that standard,
whether it is 18, 21, whatever, then If you take that right from 18 to 20 year
olds in order to even that out you have to take all the other rights, too Yeah,
absolutely, but that's what I'm saying. You can't either you're an adult or you're
not choose one exactly You know, we talk about the fight for true constitutional
carry here in the state of Florida Bill Mm -hmm, and What are your thoughts on that
just just from you from Bill Mick? I want to see it pass. Yes I'm My native land
of West Virginia has it, took them a while to get it, but they did three, four
years ago, I guess, maybe just a little longer, and it seems to be working. Even
with that, they're still having to pass a campus carry bill, and that's got to be
part of the discussion. Why should adults who are choosing to pursue education have
to choose to be disarmed while they do that, especially when you have campus
shootings or other campus events that occur. I'd like to see some consistency. And
we know it's the lawful carrying community that's not committing these crimes, and in
fact, they're defenders of those who are victims. So why would we do that? >>Well,
the other thing is, there's already been one study out that shows that lawful
keepers and bearers are the most lawful demographic of society, even over over and
above police officers. And that's not a slam on cops. That's just where the math
took them, you know? - As a cop who busted my share of cops in my day, I
understand that. - Absolutely. - You put handcuffs on your own, you know? - Sadly, had
to, and that's too bad, but we're just another element of society like anybody else.
You get the same demographics across the spectrum. It happens. - Exactly. Well,
there's a new study out by John Lott. I'm gonna be talking about it probably in
the next episode, where he shows that keepers and bearers concealed carriers actually
have stopped far more mass shootings than the police have. - Because they're already
there. - They're already there. - The cops have to respond. - There you go. They're
already on scene. They are their own first responder, much less those around them.
Why would you not want more people carrying guns? So when one of these Jackasses do
stand up and start popping off at people, that they get put down like the rabbit
dog that they are. That's what needs to happen for me. - Well, I'm grateful we live
in a county where our Sheriff Wayne Ivey says, you are your own first responder.
And when seconds count, police will be there in minutes. It's a reality of the
circumstance. On my police department, we had an average response time of something
like four minutes, which is amazing. Yes. A lot of places don't get there. We were
a small town outside the capital city in West Virginia. We were a town of 20 ,000
at night, 200 ,000 in the day with all the chemical plants and their workers doing
their jobs. But we had great response times and I worked on a great little
department with great men and women. And I really appreciate the opportunity I had
to do that. Yes, sir. I think Wayne Ivey stole that from me back in 2014 when I
had him on my program. - I said, "You are your own first responder." And he told
me, "I'm gonna steal that from you." I said, "Well, at least he's honest about it."
(laughing) That proves cops are thinking all of them. But, you know, we're fighting
for open carry and we, you and I, and I think the rest of the law abiding keepers
and bearers in Florida would like to see it pass. You know, open carry was once
the law of Florida. And concealed carry was actually unlawful.
That was, if you carry-- - Goes back to '86 or something, as I recall? - No, this
was all the way back in, let's see, 1847. - Now I'm talking about when it changed.
- Oh yeah, back in 1987, right. Back then, if you carried something concealed,
you were frowned upon. You were looked that as a sneaky person, somebody who was
trying to secret a weapon into a situation or you were a robber or something that
wanted to come in and appear unarmed, but then you draw a weapon and you rob
people. So back then concealed carry was that was not looked upon as gentlemanly.
Yeah, I can understand that back in 1847. Let me see if I scroll down here.
Here it is chapter 75.
of any kind whatsoever, secretly, on or about their person,
and if any dirt, or that is a dagger, pistol or other weapon or arm,
except a common pocket knife shall be seen or known to be secreted upon the person
of anyone in this state, such person so offending shall upon eviction be fined,
not exceeding $500, which was about $20 ,000 today,
and not less than $5 or imprisoned, not exceeding six months and not less than 10
days at the discretion of the court, provided, however, that this law shall not be
so construed as to prevent any person from carrying arms openly outside of their
clothes and it shall be the duty of the judges of the circuit courts of this state
to give the matter contained in this act in special charge of the grand juries and
the several counties of this state at the session of the courts. So,
man, that's pretty Plain to me back then it was frowned upon and now it's like no
you can only concealed carry. We don't want you open to carrying Yeah, it's quite a
flip -flop. Why do you think? that That we have flip -flop like that in our thinking
judicially speaking
Judicially, I'm not so sure. I think it's a reaction to society. It's it's
Unjustified fear of the firearm. It's folks who don't listen to your show, who don't
take your classes, who don't know the safety aspects of firearms and those who carry
them responsibly. And it is, in a way like Stoneman Douglas,
reacting to public perception and trying to make people feel good as opposed to
doing anything effective. - And that was exactly where my brain was out on that.
It's all about, I think, the indoctrination of people today. Would we have seen that
kind, that level of hysteria back in 1847, or would we have seen American men round
themselves up, get into a nice posse, grab their Winchester's and surround that
school and dare anybody else to walk in there and shoot their kids? Yeah,
absolutely. Though, matter of fact, back in, there's still photographs that I see
where there was a threat made against a school, and you see two or three citizens
with long barrel, double barrel shotguns sitting outside the main entryway into that
school just daring them to come in. Come on. Yeah, exactly. And when I went to
high school, we drove around with shotguns and rifles and the racks of our trucks,
parked them in the school park a lot and nobody said anything about that for the
first couple of years. - And your shop teacher, your gym coach, your principal would
come out, take a look at your rifle, see what you had, compare it to the one they
had in their truck and talk about hunting that weekend, absolutely. - Yep, absolutely.
Also back in, let's see, 1898, it's like 51 years later,
the legislature starting in this category of registration or licensure,
and this was actually aimed at black Americans more than anybody else because they
had the audacity to pick up Winchester's and defend themselves when some of the
local clansmen would drive through their neighborhoods and start and drive -bys and
such. - A lot of these kind of laws race -based for that very reason, absolutely.
- Yes, sir, they say that in each and every county of this state, it shall be
unlawful to carry or own a Winchester or other repeating rifle,
the Winchester being the AR -15 of the day,
rifle or without first taking out a license from the county commissioner of the
respected counties before such person shall be at liberty to carry around with him
on his person and in his manual possession such Winchester rifle or other repeating
rifle that might have had a lot to do with like I said with the the political
times absolutely down and the politics play into it every every generation - Yes,
sir. Yeah, a lot of people don't realize, even here in Brevard County, the Ku Klux
Klan used to have a very large presence here, especially in West Melbourne. - Used
to? - Yeah, yeah. - Just asking. - There's probably a couple more, yeah. Matter of
fact, I mean, there was some places, there was a place called Jim's Place down on
192 that, oh yeah, that was one of the local hangouts.
But It, this all seems to be directly connected to political thing,
doesn't it? More than anything. Don't want black people carrying guns, so let's make
them get licenses. Well, now that affects us now. Well, it doesn't anymore, but I
mean, here in Florida, you don't need a license to carry a gun, but. But that's
just a recent change as well. Yes, sir. At the twenty twenty three, I believe.
Yeah. Um, there's a bunch of other wild Florida laws that I could go into here,
but, uh, for the sake of time, I don't think we're going to try to hash them all
out. But, um,
the, we were talking about earlier with John R lot, making that study about
concealed carriers taken down bad guys more than the police. Uh,
Uh, that, that's certainly something that, um, I'm not sure I want to get into that
right now or if I want to save that for later. But what we're, uh, we've been
talking about here in Florida, uh, let me see, let me pull the article up here,
Bill and where is it at Florida's? Okay. We were talking about Parkland early and I
want to get back to that for just a second because they're going through, uh,
They're trying to make the reforms that we want them to make regarding the 18 to
20 year olds and such. That's true. And here's an article by Kim Edwards out of
Bearing Arms and it says over the past few legislative sessions, then President
Kathleen Pasadomo served as the major roadblock to pro -Second Amendment legislation in
the state, including blocking bills that would have allowed open carry and lowered
the age to purchase a long gun from 21 to 18, a measure the legislature put in
place after the Parkland shootings of 2018. Though Pasadoma was no longer the Senate
president, her replacement may prove to be no better. When it comes to repealing
those post -Parkland gun laws, the Florida House is on track to approve legislation,
allowing adults younger than 21 to once again purchase rifles and shotguns. But as
the Miami Herald reports, Senate President Bill Albatron is still playing his cards
close to his vest. And he said, I don't have an answer for that right now, which
means I'm still testing the political wins on this and see which side of the fence
I need to come down on. The good news about that. and I was talking with
Representative Monique Miller just last week. She has presented that bill in the
House. It's made it through committee. It's going to the House floor. It either went
to the House floor late last week or coming up this week. Good chances it passes.
As a matter of fact, it's going to pass. And it has a companion bill in the
Senate. And Ben Albritton had said that's not going to happen over here. But he is
changing his mind. There is support in the Senate. And It looks like at least that
portion of the correction to Parkland could pass. So there is a little reason for
optimism there, although without Britain you can't have any trust. Well, unfortunately
you and I have had a really good taste of some of our local reps who say one
thing out of one side of their face and then when they get up there they vote the
other way and that's what happened in 2018 with local reps Randy Fine and Debbie
Mayfield. And yes, I'm calling y 'all out by name because y 'all did this. - Yeah,
they did. - With, you gave into the hysteria, you willingly voted yes on a bill
that you knew would do these things. You didn't take it into special session as you
recommended to Randy Fine to do. - Sure. - And and you rammed this through to
satisfy and satiate the emotion of all the gun control cartels and all of the
little mugwumps down there that formed this anti -second amendment coalition that's
marched for our lives things and they gave in to emotional pressure. - Absolutely.
- And that's not what we sent them to Tallahassee to do. We sent them there to be
contemplative to reason these things out and understand the impact of the law they
passed, just like the term limits law, that they never got right once the amendment
passed because Debbie Mayfield now running for what in essence is a third consecutive
term in the Florida Senate after she just wrapped up two, moved back over to the
house for five minutes. And when President Trump made an appointment out of Daytona
Beach into his cabinet, Randy Fine leaves the Senate seat that he'd taken after
Debbie Mayfield left it. She jumps back in that race in the Florida Supreme Court.
Rightfully so, based on how the law is written, said yes, she can run for that
seat because the law's poorly crafted. Because again, they either didn't contemplate
it well or they contemplated it very well and created a nice little loophole for
themselves to be able to stake out a camp and own it. - Neither one's acceptable.
Exactly. You're exactly right. Well, it's kind of like they're voting for anti -second
amendment issues and things like that. Did they think about the 18 -year -olds,
19 -year -olds, 20 -year -olds who get married young, and I know a few of them,
and they want to purchase a firearm to protect themselves. And I hit Randy up,
but a matter of fact, in the studio one morning at WMMB. Correct. And asked him to
explain how, you know, how that's constant. Well, he said, well, I said, how do you
find that? How does that square with the Second Amendment? He said, well, back then
they all built their own guns anyway. I said, well, actually they did not. A lot
of them did. But, you know, comparatively, it was a small percentage. So you're
saying that 18 to 20 year olds now learn how to, they need to learn how to build
their own guns? Oh, well, no, their parents can buy it for them. Well, no, they
can't if the child hands the mother or father money to go in and buy it. That's a
straw purchase, 10 years in prison, $250 ,000 fine. And what gets me with him and
Mayfield, especially with Mayfield at the very -- a few months after that was that
the Constitution Day dinner as a, you know, vaunted guest saying, and you know how
important it is for us to defend the Constitution. And Kelly and I were standing in
the room and I audibly chored on. - Absolutely. - And she, my wife, Elba,
me, said, you need to be quiet. You're awful loud. You don't know, you don't
realize how loud you are. And I said, I don't care. - Amen. - You're talking to
someone who claims to be defender of the Constitution voted for this Marjory Stoneman
Douglas Crap? We are early voting right now in that primary election for that Senate
seat in the special election. And there are probably no fewer than five as many as
10 or 15 mailers a week coming from Debbie Mayfield. One of the ones last week,
and I ripped it to shreds on my show earlier in the week, was champion of the
Second Amendment, Debbie Mayfield. And you can count on Debbie Mayfield to stand for
your Second Amendment rights. And then there are phrases on the mailer that said
this right to Kerry is given in the U .S. Constitution. It's like,
please tell me you don't understand what rights are, and they did. And the
Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee in the state of Florida, Debbie Mayfield,
a couple of other candidates that are in special elections, all approve this and put
this language out there, and it shows me they don't understand rights, and they do
believe these are things granted by government, and she's absolutely the wrong person
for that job, and has been the entire time she's been in office. >> Her and Randy
are both afflicted with constitutional
I don't I don't think they understand the Constitution. I'm I agree and they don't
understand what rights are the red flag laws here for Pete's sake and The most
flagrant offender with those red flag laws is someone who everybody upholds as a
second amendment sheriff Grady Judd. Yeah, he has used God knows how many of those
things and use them even maliciously Filed had them filed against seven and eight
year olds because of threats they made against their teammates or their schoolmates
at school threatened to beat them up or something. He would file a red flag on
them and then go in there and guilt the parents into giving their guns over when
the parents did nothing about that. So that created a catalyst basically and a
springboard for more abuse of people's rights. They don't understand due process law.
They don't understand Second Amendment law. They don't understand any of that. And if
you ask me, how are you qualified to be my representative when you don't understand
the Supreme Law of the land? - Absolutely, and Representative Tyler Saroi, he's now
the majority leader in the Florida House. And his job is to work this legislation
through. Since he got elected, he got elected in 2018 after that summer of Parkland,
that Valentine's Day shooting and what happened with, he got elected that November.
And he has been working since then to correct some of these things. And one of the
things he wanted to do was knowing that Pasadoma was not going to let repeals go
through the Senate, he was trying to put due process into the red flag part of
these things, to at least if someone could not afford representation, that there
would be representation for them provided and that there would be a hearing before
the weapons were seized because the other problem with these is trying to get them
back once the government has their hands on them. Yes, sir, and good luck with
that. Matter of fact, General Counsel for Florida Carry, Eric Friday, went to,
had to go to Sheriff Chitwood to have a gun turned to one of his people, one of
his clients.
And Mr. Friday told him, here's the order, you need to return this firearm. And
Chitwood basically said, no, I don't, I still think he's dangerous. And he said,
sir, you are required to follow this order.
Chitwood jumped up and shoved his chair back. Like he was gonna come over the table
at Eric Friday. Eric also jumped up, shoved his chair out of the way and reached
for his waistband, like you don't want to do that, Sheriff, I'll defend myself. Have
you heard about all that? - No, I hadn't heard the full story. - Well, here's the
thing. Once they had that power, it's like a downhill slide from there, and then
they start making, they start using their reasoning to take it even further than
what has been given them in the legislature. - Anything to justify what they wanted
to. - Exactly. Well, people don't understand this. If you have an ex parte order
issued against you. That means they, ex parte means you weren't there. You're not
invited to the hearing. - Right. - And then they're gonna make a hearing say, "Yep,
he's dangerous, go get his guns." That's dangerous number one. - Yeah, it is. - But
number two, like you said, that's a civil matter. And therefore,
You cannot say, "I need an attorney appointed to me because I can't afford one." A
tough, tiddly -wings boy, you're on your own because it's a civil matter. How much
does an attorney cost these days? >>Expensive. >>I think at a minimum, you'll
probably pay out about $5 ,000 probably when it's all over. I'm guessing, from what
I've heard from one particular attorney who is always handling the red flag laws in
Polk County. Oh yeah, that's about a $2 ,000 to $5 ,000 issue there.
- Gold mine for attorneys in Grady, Juddland. - Oh yeah. - Well, I tell you what, if
you want to make some money, Polk County is an attorney. Polk County is a place to
be specialized in red flag laws. - Amen. - All right, we'll be right back after a
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We are still locked and loaded on the Shooting Straight Radio podcast. Got Mr. Bill
Mick, host of Bill Mick live here with me at the Bartlett Ponderosa as we record
this 11 year anniversary of the shooting straight radio show now on podcast,
of course Bill great to have you here, brother man. Thanks for having me in here
and Fantastic anniversary. I knew when we sat down and talked initially that you had
the potential to be very successful with a radio program that as you noted now
became a podcast and it is I'm proud of you son. Well done,
buddy. - Well, I tell you what, coming from you, that means a lot, and I mean
that. We've been talking about the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Act,
and you and I were both very, what should I say,
outspoken against that.
- Even before they passed it, we were talking saying, no, you can't do this, this
is wrong. And in spite of that, we got the middle finger from our state
legislators, And here we are years later now, almost eight years later.
Yeah, eight, seven or eight years later, trying to undo that mess that Mr.
Fine claimed he was going to undo the next year. The next session, he was going to
file repealers to correct those issues. And when he never happened, yeah. And when
he didn't, oh, well, I will, if I'm reelected. - Well, then there was also a
representative out of the Panhandle who pulled a move that actually killed it because
he pulled a move to repeal the entire Stoneman Douglas School Safety Act was never
gonna happen with the temperature of that legislature. So that was an act to protect
the legislation they passed. So anybody else filing a bill that did something less
wasn't gonna matter. And the big full repealer is what got attention and nobody got
behind it. And it wasn't again when you have people who don't understand the
legislative process and how it works And oftentimes that includes legislators then you
don't have a chance of being successful. That's the problem Well, it's a shame that
you have to know all the machinations and things of the people in high places So
to speak to get something to shove through but unfortunately, that's the times we
live in Royce You were in construction. You didn't start building a house till you
knew how to do it, though, right? Well, that's very true. Yeah. And if you don't
know how it works, you can mess up the works. Very true. That's why we had
blueprints. Exactly. Well, here's an article by Jacob Ogles from Florida Politics from
March 20th, Bill. And it's titled, "Bill Lowering Gun Buying Age," and it's not
lowering anything. It's reinstating. Restoring. Restoring rights that these kids were
born with. I'm sick of them being called youths. They're referred to 18 -20 -year
-olds are not youth anymore. They're adults. But they've been referred to that by a
lot of the people in the media. I get the news stories that come through. Teen
kills other teen. Adult kills teen. Adult kills adult. Again,
the language, the age of maturity is part of the problem. Yes, sir. And the
semantics are, too. But a bill lowering the gun buying age on target to reach House
floor over objections of Parkland families. So they interviewed some of the people
who were affected by that tragedy. Actually the entire state of Florida was affected
by it, negatively at first and then later they had to give up some of their rights
to assuage the weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth people. You mean the new vice
chair of the Democratic Party nationally, Mr. David Boss Hogg.
How that kid has risen to be, that shows you how far lost the Democratic Party is.
When he's their vice chair at what 24 now, maybe? Yeah. Absolutely nuts.
Well, his version of things and his of him being there that day was rather dubious
anyway, but we're not going to get deep in the reads on that. But the article says
several family members of individuals killed in that tragedy spoke out during the
committee hearing, urging lawmakers not to roll back gun access restrictions put in
place in response. I like that, in response. Yeah, this was the response. That's all
it was. It's not founded in good law. It's not founded in the Constitution.
It was founded on motion only. As a Broward County School Board Chair, Debbie
Hickson, whose husband, Chris, was campus security monitor at the Parkland High
School, and one of the three adults murdered there, said lowering the age to
purchase guns would betray families who demanded a policy response at the time. How
would that betray families by reinstating rights that were stripped from 18 the 20
-year -old adults in the wake of that. - It's not. And it's not gonna fix anything
that occurred that day, nor prevent it from happening again. - Exactly. Nothing in
that bill would have stopped that punk from doing what he did. - Correct. - A lot
of people don't understand. The Promise Program was in place down in Broward at the
time. The Promise Program is what kept the police from throwing that little punk in
jail multiple times, who had threatened his own family members with loaded guns on
multiple occasions. They had been to his house repeatedly, had he'd even been Baker
acted at one point. But now, because he was turned back out,
he was set free, he was never held accountable, he did what he did, and now the
rest of Florida has to pay for it, especially if you're 18 to 20 years old.
Education policy in this country and in this state is directly responsible for a lot
of this because they don't handle discipline well. They wait until a kid is a felon
before they even think of removing him from a school. And if you don't discipline
appropriately at the young ages, they're not expecting any discipline or responding to
it when they get older. And that's a big contributing factor to what you see here.
The education establishment owns this as much as anybody else does. - Yeah, I believe
that too. One of the things Ms. Hickson said, she said that you passed this as a
bipartisan body that believed in the things that were in this bill. I don't know
how anybody could believe in any of that stuff, but anyway. And she said, you know
what? It made our community safer. How? - I'd like for her to be able to show us
how, because it did not. - Yes. Please Please articulate that, I don't even want to
go into the-- - Well, here's another problem, and not to tear down the source
material you've got. But Florida Politics is a paid hack website. They write news
based on their favorable position and whoever's approached them. And I quit using it
as a trusted source early on in its existence. And it's an advocacy site,
it's not a news site and you've got to read it from that perspective because they
are writing to push an agenda. Yeah, absolutely. Well, it's always an agenda. Yeah.
Well, Representative Michelle Salzman, a Pensacola Republican, said it was important to
restore the Second Amendment rights of adult feridians. And I agree that we didn't
take any other rights from them. Why only the second? Yeah. What about the first? I
mean, if they're not mature enough to exercise the second amendment. They're not
mature enough to be voting. They're not mature enough to speak freely.
I mean, the list goes on. Or to be trusted to associate with people and work
toward a redress of grievances because they can't responsibly handle those rights.
Exactly. She says she sponsored, Ms. Salzman sponsored the legislation and said that
the state erred when compromising the constitutional rights of adults. Her comment
was, "I've had several events in my own community where we have people in Pensacola
who are living at home with young children. They're 18 to 19 year old single moms
who have not had the opportunity to have that and they have expressed to me that
they would like to be able to purchase a firearm for their protection, protection of
their children and their home." Well, why was this not considered? Why, it really
saddens me that one group of people said we have to take all the rights away from
this one class of people, that's gonna fix the problem, but only this right and
this right alone. And oh well, you wanna defend yourself? Well, that's just too bad
because of what one 19 -year -old punk did down there on Valentine's Day back in
2018. Yeah. She said, as a detective, I sat through the investigations and
presentations for what happened in Parkland. I'm sorry, this is Louis Valdez in his
quote. He said, as a detective, I sat through the investigations and presentations
for what happened in Parkland. It was horrific and it was a failure of government.
There it is right there. It wasn't a failure of the local gun store.
It wasn't a failure of the Second Amendment. It wasn't a failure of any laws,
'cause laws are basically useless if people don't want to follow the laws.
- Exactly. - First chapter in the book of Duh. And yes, this was a failure of
government. This kid was on the FBI's radar and nobody did a darn thing.
And the steps that could have put him in a place where he would not have been in
a position to do this, didn't exist. There were opportunities, and they weren't used,
or they were undermined, and he wasn't put in check. They were undermined by the
Promise program that was created by Barack Hussein Obama. He said he was sick of
seeing the high school -to and pipeline or something like that. >> Superintendent of
schools down there was Runcy at the time, who was a mentor of a superintendent we
later hired here at Brevard, and they started going to race -based discipline, trying
to balance the numbers of white kids versus kids of color, that they all offend the
same numbers, but they're not disciplined the same way, at least so they said.
discipline needs to be offense -based. And the same discipline applied for whatever
the offense is, if it's chewing bubblegum on the low end, everybody gets the same
discipline for it. You keep re -offending, the discipline gets worse or gets longer.
You learn lessons that way, and the education establishment has failed these kids and
those adults apart. - When you were going to school in West Byg, Golly, Virginia
there and Clinton. And did they still paddle kids? Absolutely. Yes, sir. Did to me
too. Rockledge High School. Buster Rice was the dean there. I'll never forget being
on a first name basis with his paddle. And he just about knocked you over his desk
that you were holding on to to take your swats. Taking those, you got more when
you got home. Absolutely. Absolutely. And one of the most effective tools was hearing
that paddle whistle through the air out in the large 15 foot ceiling hallways of
our junior high school and landing squarely on a classmate's heini and him coming
back in, not wanting to cry in front of classmates, but with tears welled up in
his eyes, knowing that he just learned a lesson and you learned it too 'cause you
didn't want to be the next one. - Well, and that was the thing. I got into a
scrap with a young man named Sean at school one day. We both got sent to the Dean
and he said, "You can have three days or three swats." I'm like, "Oh, three swats,
I can take them." Oh boy, my goodness me. Well, the young man Sean went in first
and I heard, like you said, heard that whack and I'm like, "Dang, that sounded
serious." - Absolutely. - I'm sitting there, I'm looking around the office for some
magazines and stuff down the back of my britches. You know, I don't want any of
that. Back then we had respect for rules. Even if we didn't like them,
we obeyed them. I'm not talking about us being a bunch of automatons where when
they cracked the whip we moved, but having that health of your respect is something
that little 19 -year -old snot wand never had in his freaking life, or he would have
never done what he did. I was in junior high, 72, 73, 74.
Jim Hammerick was our principal and you could set all of our student body in the
gymnasium and these were concrete bleachers with wooden seats on them and you'd have
seventh, eighth and ninth grade in that gymnasium. And all Jim Hammerick had to do
in the mornings when we're all sitting there waiting to go to class or if we had
an assembly was walk two steps out onto that basketball floor, turn around and look
at us and the place was instantly quiet, respect is different than it was then.
- Yes, sir, I absolutely agree with that. We have fallen far away from the
principles that we abode by when we were younger, absolutely. Luis Valdez also said,
he said, "Again, gun control would not have solved this." The state's argument that
any adult under the age of 21 doesn't have the mental faculties to possess or own
a firearm is ludicrous, especially when we let 19 year olds become sworn law
enforcement officers in the state of Florida. I deal with this all the time where I
work, Bill. You've been up there. We serve a lot of law enforcement agencies and
individuals. That's our main focus. I mean, that's the name of our company. I'm not
gonna say it live on the air, but we have 19 year old and 20 year old law
enforcement officials come in to purchase things, but they won't purchase a firearm
because they know they're not allowed to. They'll buy ammunition, they'll buy other
things like that, accessories, they come in wearing their firearm, their agency issued
firearm. You know, some of those agencies make them leave that gun there at the
agency before they go home because of all the legal ramifications about the 18 to
20 year old garbage that came from Marjorie Stoneman Douglas. - That bothers me.
- Yes sir. - Because that officer is just a subject to being attacked on his way
to, on his way from, or while he's at his home, he needs to be able to defend
himself with his duty weapon, the weapon he should be most familiar with. - Yes sir,
well, not all agencies do - Just some of them, they want to play it to the hilt
and make sure that they're-- - Is that Mike Chitwood's agency? - No. - I just
wondered, 'cause it sounds like him. - Nope. But the other thing, 18 to 20 are all
serving our military. - And they vote. - They handle, right, and they vote. They
handle-- - And they can't be drinking and shooting, so you might as well let them
have the gun. - There you go.
They fire fully automatic weapons, fully automatic Browning M2 machine guns,
50 cows. They fire the M240 squad automatic weapons and mortars and they drive tanks
and blow things up. That's gotta be fun. But if they can do that,
but then once they leave the service, if they're not at that magic age of 21, then
oh, you can't own that. No, No, you can't own that. Well, if your mom and your
daddy gifts it to you, that's fine. Well, what if their mommy and daddy don't live
in that state or, God forbid, worse, they're dead? - Yeah. - What do you do then?
At that point, it becomes, you're almost pushing them into the realm of a straw
purchase and almost making it necessary for them to break the law just to defend
themselves. And that really pisses me off right there. - Again, reactive legislation
versus contemplative legislation. They didn't contemplate the results of what they did.
They didn't think about all the unintended consequences that came along with it,
which is the case for any gun control law. Go back as far as you want. There was
actually a judge who reasoned and upheld the 18 - to 20 -year -old statute. I forget
which state it was in recently. But, he said that because there were anecdotal,
or I'm sorry, which analogous laws back during the time of the founding that you
had to be 18 to be in the militia. And I'm like, no, now you're in my territory,
brother. It was 16 to 60 is where the age started at 16.
Of course, back then they had manners too. - Well, that's true, yeah. - So now a
Representative Dan Daly who is a Parkland Democrat shocking. He's an I've read the
second amendment. I doubt that Please point to me the part that says you get an AR
15 Okay, I could point to it. It's the word arms. I was gonna say arms arms
understand Yeah arms for war. Yeah, not just an AR 15 But as far as the founders
were concerned a fully automatic M4 carbine. All right. He says, please point to the
part that says you get to be 18 to 20 years old and have an AR -15. Show me the
words. You can't. Well, I can't say the exact words, but I can certainly show you
the sentiment of the founders in that. And to them, it was 16 to 60.
The militia people of the colonial days, That was considered to be the age bracket
age 16 to 60 So for him to say well though since the words don't appear in there
succinctly then therefore it doesn't exist Nope, if you use the Bruins standard,
it does exist very plainly especially with the writings of the founders especially in
Federalist paper number 46 and everything they said in there about owning military
weapons. Right.
Real quick, he says, Mr. Daly also said, God willing, it won't pass.
But every single time we have to have this conversation, folks like Debbie Hickson
have the scab ripped off. Well, that was a scab. Unfortunately, it was put in place
by Democrats like Mr. Daly and such like that, worked them up into this frenzy and
then made them feel that anything less than total gun control did them a disservice
and was an affront to them and their sensibilities somehow. >> And that Republican
-controlled legislature and Governor Rick Scott own that responsibility as well,
because it was their agenda to control and they didn't. >> Yes. So,
that's kind of where we're out now in the state of Florida. We're dealing with --
Hopefully, we're going to be repealing that mess. I'm not sure, is this only aimed
at the 18 -20 year old thing, or is this covering the entirety of the Parkland
bill? >> No, you'll never get the entirety stripped away because of the funds that
are there, the other things that are in play. The school resource officers, at least
it's got an armed person in every school across Florida, which is better than it
used to be. It's not an answer. They had an armed person at Parkland that did no
good. And that's a totally different discussion and a whole plethora of things that
caused that problem. But there are beneficial things in the Stoneman Douglas School
Safety Act. What this is due, there's a repealer on the 18 to 21 year old ban.
And Monique's filed another bill that is not part of Parkland, but it's under
emergency declarations for storms and the like. We're currently under Florida law. You
cannot buy firearms or ammunitions during such an emergency. And she's got that
repealer going and it's getting support as well. So again, a couple of sadly
unnecessary bills, but being pushed by people who are Second Amendment advocates to
get those corrections made in Florida law. And it looks like they both have a
chance. Again, a lot of it depends on the temperature in the Senate and Ben
Albright and the president over there. He seems, like you said, to be at least
considering the political wins. I hope so. - I hope so too. Luis Valdez made another
statement. He said, more importantly, he said the issue with this legislation is that
it disarms young women. And I started thinking about that. I got a buddy of mine
named Les, his daughter just went off to college up in Tallahassee of all places up
to Florida State. - Well, she's in danger zone 'cause legislature's up there right
now. - Better send her up there. But she, based on her age,
could not purchase a firearm. Fortunately, Les gave her one to take with her and
good. But How many other college students, maybe because they have liberal parents or
whatever the case may, there's a host of reasons that could happen. I guess she's
living in off -campus housing because if she was on campus housing, she couldn't have
it. Exactly. That's the other thing too. So it's almost like we're required by law
to be defenseless victims and waiting if we're 18 to 20 year old adults. Or around
a school environment. So, but the sad thing is Florida State university has the
highest violent crime rate out of all the universities in Florida. I don't know if
you do that. My guess would have been Miami, just based on the reputation of the
football team. But that's another story. Valdez said it disarms my own daughter.
She's five right now, but when she becomes 18 and if she decides to move out of
the house and attend college, I want her to be able to defend herself. Amen. Well,
Again, why, how, why does this legislation
make any sense? Well, really all it does is offer a placebo-- - That's exactly what
it is. - It's a legislative placebo, but all it really does, it does more to
violate the rights of 18 to 20 year old adults than it does anything else. - That's
exactly right. It doesn't keep anybody safe. It actually makes more people unsafe,
which is exactly what all gun control laws do. If you really think about it, it
makes more people unsafe, less safe, and it empowers the criminal element because the
criminals start going, "Oh, well, you're not allowed to be carrying a gun, so I
know you probably aren't armed." We should have probably thought of this in 2018. We
should reference this law as the Stoneman Douglas Victim Creation Act.
- I like that. - Yeah. - Yes. Well, I think, and that's more applicable.
I tell you that a man named Attorney General James Oothmire,
who took the office in February, said that he would not defend the law.
So that's good. Pam Bondi defended it. This guy says, I will not defend it.
He says, "I believe restricting the rights of law -abiding adults to purchase firearms
is unconstitutional." Good, I like that, but that's exactly what they've all should
have been saying back there in 2018.
So here again we are. What it boils down to though is knee -jerk reactions don't do
anything good for anybody. Gun control laws as knee -jerk reactions are absolutely
damnable as far as I'm concerned because they do more to enable crime than to fight
crime. I wonder if the people of Marjory Stoneman Douglas and all of the victims'
advocates and everything, if they could see the other side of that, if they would
really maintain their thoughts and their sentiments about that. - Gotta get them past
their uneducated perspective and they're not willing to be educated. That's the
problem. - Well, what do they call that? Willful ignorance, I think. - That would be
it. - They won't accept it because it doesn't jive, it doesn't square with their
borrowed ideology, therefore they shut it. That's the problem. - One other thing on
this situation is Governor DeSantis always touted himself as a second amendment
advocate. He is screaming right now for open carry. His power is diminished in the
Florida Legislature because of his acts, because of things that he has done along
the way, and because he's only got two years left. The first six years of his term
in office, two terms, so the first term and a half, he owned the Florida
Legislature. They did his bidding because Governor DeSantis wanted it done. If he
were the Second amendment advocate that he claims to be, that would have been done
in the first six years. They'd have repealed these bad parts of Stoneman Douglas.
They would have had at least a step toward constitutional carry. Now, if that crap
they passed a couple of years ago about concealed carry without a permit, but actual
constitutional carry, campus carry, if he wanted those, he'd had done them in the
first six years when he ran the legislature and they did his bidding because they
were his whipping boys. You think that would have happened? Yes. I don't know if
I'd trust any of those guys in the legislature to tell you the truth. Well, I
understand that, but the legislature bent to his will for six years when he wanted
congressional districts drawn a certain way. The legislature drew up its own and
said, "Here you go, Governor, this is what we're giving you." He vetoed it and they
immediately caved. It was almost like the legislature was Canada and DeSantis was
President Trump. They caved immediately and did what DeSantis wanted and gave him his
districts that he said draw them this way. And they did that on any piece of
legislation he wanted. He owned them. They were his boys. And if he wanted it done,
he'd have got it done in the first six years. Again, you think if he wanted it,
he could have pushed it, huh? Absolutely. He had the political capital to make it
happen. Do you think maybe he had a focus on other things at the time and just
didn't give it as much thought as he should have or? You mean like his next run
at trying to be a presidential nominee, maybe? Yeah. That distraction hurt him. It
hurt him. I think so too. I think so too. I do appreciate Governor DeSantis. I
think he's been the best governor I've seen in Florida. I'm not, I'm not trying to
say that, but I also don't want a third term in the person of Casey DeSantis. And
that's Rumble is out there. I mean, sorry, we're not much into legacies here. Yeah.
Well, yeah, we're, we're not a legacy type nation. We don't have a royal line.
Well, we're out of bushes now.
Out of Kennedy. That'll go back and finish making the beans, right? Exactly. Well,
Bill, it's, uh, uh, we're already at the one hour mark here, brother, and we're
going to wrap it up there and go hit some jambalaya. I'm ready, brother. Let's go.
We appreciate you being here for this 11th year anniversary of the shooting straight
radio podcast. I appreciate you and everything you did to make all of this happen
for the last 11 years. Your influence on this program was invaluable. Absolutely. And
I just love you, brother. I appreciate your program too. I love you and appreciate
you, I'm proud of you and what you've done here. I have coached any number of
people that were doing radio programs on WMMB through the years, and you did
something that none of them, because they don't exist anymore, have done. You
listened, you applied yourself, and you had, as a goal, doing quality radio first,
and then bringing your topic material. You wanted to understand how this works and
how you do it well. And you've established yourself in this 11 years shows that.
And I'm just tickled to death to see you doing what you're doing. And I'm proud of
you, man. Keep up the good work. Well, I appreciate that. Because I remember I used
to text and call you a lot for pointers and stuff. I remember -- As if I knew
what I was doing. Yeah, okay. I remember the very first episode. - I still remember
that because I didn't realize that once you hit a certain mark and the music
started playing, you had 30 full seconds. It took me a while to realize, man, you
can say a lot in 30 seconds, so take it all the way to the end, but-- - People
don't focus on doing quality radio. They have an agenda that they wanna talk about.
And if they don't have someone producing it who knows and understands it, then you
get a jumbled, sounded thing. You learned and you learned very quickly else. You
wouldn't have been sitting in on my show when I went on vacation. Yep Well, I very
I used to house all kinds of advice from you again, and I still do and and you're
welcome to do that anytime You know that I appreciate that day Don't forget to
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about to hit some jam, Belia, but never forget, incoming rounds always have the
right of way. Royce and Bill are out of here.