Talking With Izzy Matos About Preparing for Civil Unrest in America

Israel "Izzy" Matos joins Royce to discuss preparedness for the imminent unrest on our soil.

Israel is a retired Marine Infantry Assaultman (0351) and one of the founding members of ShootingClasses.com.

During his military career, he served as a Combat Marksmanship Coach and Trainer, Antitank Missileman, Machine Gunner and Mortarman. He was deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, European and African Countries on the 26th MEU SOC. Israel's military and civilian work includes Marine Corps Foreign Weapons Instructor, NRA Tactical Law Enforcement Instructor, NRA Personal Protection in the Home Instructor and NRA Pistol Instructor.

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from 2014 to 2021. Man, I've had the pleasure of training with and learned a lot
from his instruction. Not to mention, I've stolen a bunch of his training methods
too because a good instructor is also a very good thief. So he is a retired Marine
Infantry Man and one of the founding members of one of the sponsors here, Shooting
Classes .com. During his military career, he served as a combat marksmanship coach and
trainer, anti -tank missile man, a machine gunner, and a mortar man. He was deployed
to Iraq, Afghanistan, European, and African countries on the 26th M .EU,
I think that's the Marine Expeditionary Unit, SOC. His military and civilian work
includes Marine Corps Foreign Weapons Instructor, NRA tactical law enforcement
instructor, NRA personal protection in the home instructor, and NRA pistol instructor.
His name is Israel Motos. You might also know him as Izzy. I call him Voodoo.
And I want to say right now, welcome to the program Voodoo. How are you, brother?
Hey, how are you, Royce? How you been, brother? Been really good, man. I'm very
happy to have you on the program today. Let me see if I can turn up your mic a
little bit because I think I'm overpowering you. Let's see. All right. Yeah,
welcome to the program, Izzy.
Thanks for having me. Well, thanks for being here.
We were talking a little bit before the program. We know some of the things that
are coming we know some of the threats that are here and now we know that bad
things could possibly flare up literally overnight and I'd like to get some of your
expertise here as a combat wounded Marine some of the things we might should start
doing like yesterday and Our mutual friends, Boone and Sarah Superbad Adams,
they've been filling us in about the things that are here and the threats to the
citizenry here within our own borders. First, I like to say, what are you seeing in
all this, man?
Well,
the threat level is, the the threat levels high, but also,
you know, putting it into context of location, you know, like if,
if you're situationally, spatially and environmentally aware, that means you're,
you're not just paying attention to the hard tactics and the hard skills, like
shooting and communication, you know, running a radio, the hard skills, you're,
you're actively engaged in your community. Those are soft skills. You know the people
who live around you. You talk to them on a regular basis. So you'd be able to
identify threats most Ricky Tick just by being a good person. Even with all these
threats around, it would behoove you to just be a good person and start making
contact with the people around you and building that community. Because at the end
of the day, regardless of what bad thing comes our way,
Absolutely. You should know who your neighbors are, obviously. Obviously, but, you
know, if you have neighbors, you should get to know them. Know who they are. You
know,
just know who they are. Know what they're into, know where they're from, know what
they like to do. Open up yourself. Explain who you are. But people know what you're
about, you know. Keep open dialogue. Yep. Not only that. That helps,
sir. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, that, that helps with a lot of
identification right off the bat. Right, because, like, most people know when their
neighbors are home and when they're not. And if a strange car pulled into their
driveway, you would recognize that immediately. So just little things like that,
I assume you're referring to. Absolutely. And even taking it a step further,
whenever you hear of some kind of violent event in the news, it's typically followed
by somebody in a neighborhood going, yeah, I know that person. Yeah,
they were acting weird for a couple weeks. Yeah, they were doing this. But nobody
ever thought, just check in on the person.
Say, hey, how's it going? Can we help you, if anything? These little, if you're
talking in a sense of hard skills, those are target indicators. Those are threat
indicators. If we're talking in the realm of soft skills, that's just you being a
good person. Hey, my buddy's down in the dumps. Maybe his cat died. Maybe his dog
died. Maybe I need to go help them. Maybe he's planning to do something really,
really off the wall. And I need to do something to, you know, call the police or
something. It can escalate to that level, or it could be something simple. But if
you catch it early,
you humanize the people and you can stop the threats before they happen. Might I
guess here, I guess I should say, that what you're suggesting is to form camaraderie
with other people, much like you did in the Corps. Absolutely. That's a good thing.
Absolutely. Even getting out of the Corps, it's crucial even getting out of the
military to find like -minded individuals that you can bond with,
that you can, you know, do whatever it is that you need to do if you want to go
hunt and you go hunt if you want to go fish go for walks you know get into local
bowling leagues do any any number of other extracurricular hobbies work on cars all
those all those things are part of the camaraderie building and and also great ways
to see how everyone's doing in your neighborhood it's like the old adage of being a
gentleman and and holding the door open for people. Are you being a gentleman
holding the door, or are you measuring people's distance to you in proximity? Hmm.
It can be both at the same time. Sure.
Right? Yep. Well, it makes sense, too, because if you are good buddies with
somebody, you're going to fight hard for them, if they are under attack, if they're
under assault, if you're both going through a threat together, you're going to be
more inclined to really go the extra mile for them, as opposed to a total stranger
you've never met. So building that camaraderie in that case, I think is very vital.
Even here in my neighborhood, I know most people, but I also know some of them are
very opposed to owning firearms. but one of them nearby said well i'll just come to
your house if things go bad and i'm like no you won't you got a blue gun waiting
for them yeah yeah here use this one just go bang bang when they come
but uh i did tell them i didn't stock up on all this stuff to uh to to to feed
you and your family and arm you and your family but then it struck me after i had
said that, I said, you know what, it probably wouldn't hurt to have an extra 12
gauge laying around some extra ammo I could give them and basically increase the
forces here within this neighborhood of necessaries. That's something I've also been
doing. I've got a couple of extra 12 gauges, a couple of extra handguns. I mean,
they're not extra, but there's something that I can loan out or sell in a pinch
and be able to multiply the force for this neighborhood. So even something like
that's going to go a long way. And hopefully they'll remember that I helped them
out in a bad pinch and help protect them in their family. So that's a great advice
there. Go ahead. Well, yeah, it's like the whole stockpiling thing. Like if you're
stockpiling food and you're helping people with their hydroponics or helping people
with their with their backyard farms you know like that's all part of community
building and and when you help the community like that they tend not to want to
cannibalize themselves because they're one organism helping each other right that makes
good sense if you have somebody who's like I'm starving and now you just armed them
and they don't like you or know you, it doesn't cost them anything to try to take
what's yours. But if they're part of your family and part of your group and you're
all helping each other, they are less likely to be able to become a Judas and a
liability rather than an asset, which you definitely would need. Yeah.
You can't stay awake 24 -7. No, sir. No, sir. Well, I've already got like five
people in the neighborhood that I know I could count on. And we have talked
extensively, and I know what their weapons are, and they know what some of mine
are. I don't ever disclose all of them. But I do tell them, okay, I've got this
type of weaponry. I've got, you know, long guns, sidearms, And I keep enough ammo
for both of them and are my entire family here. But, yeah, we've already started
talking on this end. And so hopefully that's going to turn into something. What
should we expect, in your opinion, from what you're seeing and your experience? What
should we expect from these threats? What's the nature of them? What are they
bringing to the fight? And how do we stand Well,
it's, it's, the, the threat level is varied. And what do I mean by that?
Well, we've seen in the past, you know,
L .A. style shootings where it's the two individuals who arm themselves with body
armor and rifles and went out and shooting jihadi style. I believe that was in
Texas. Yes.
There's those types.
don't attack our national guard because our national guard typically isn't attacking
anyone like it's just not a it's just not a thing um those styles of attacks are
are a different type of attack um you have the bomber attacks you have you have
all attacks can come in any in any form and we've seen them in varying degrees
over the past several decades actually what I would say is knowing that these
attacks can happen first thing I would do is take a real estate position what I
mean by that is location location location if you are in an area that is already a
high crime area or a high conflict -prone zone,
I'd probably remove myself from that area. Yes.
Because you are now increasing the likelihood of something happening to you just off
your location. That'd be one. You know, same tactics we learn as a hard skill.
You get off the X. Yes.
So that'd be one thing.
And then knowing how you respond to certain types of situations.
Because at the end of the day, regardless of the type of attack it is, they
generally fall under different categories that are trainable. You can train for active
shooters. You can train for multiple attackers. You can train for home invasions.
You can train for immediate responses to vehicle ambushes. You can train for all
these events and create immediate action drills and immediate action plans and link
up procedures with your family and friends to help mitigate the potential of that
risk happening to you. Right. You know, like jackings in Chicago,
carjacking's in St. Louis, are you just going to sit there and let them carjack
you, or are you just going to plow through their ambush? Are you going to back up?
Are you going to change how you drive? Yes. Like, you know, all these things are
things that you can start planning and preparing for. Yes. Well, one of the things
I learned from you and so of the other guys there that I've trained with is I
never let myself get trapped at a red light in the center lane behind other
vehicles. I'm always going to be on outer lane. If it's a three -lane road, I'm on
the outside or the inside, but I'm always on where I can, if I have to, break out
of there if necessary. I give myself plenty of room between the car in front of me
and my front bumper so I can turn out of there, hopefully without doing any damage.
But if I do get caught somewhere like that. And I do happen to find myself in
some sort of a threat or ambush. I have no problem pushing other vehicles out of
their way with mine to get out of it. But I'm going to get the heck off the X.
Yeah. And that's understanding your vehicles lay out, what the vehicle's safety
features are, how to handle and mitigate the vehicle. That's another trainable thing.
Right. You know, Because that's another area of training that a lot of people don't.
A lot of people focus on like the hard skills, like I said, of being able to fire
a weapon. And now the people are finally getting into the like the tactical
immediate responder stuff, you know, like stopping the bleed and mass hemorrhage and
mass casualty events. People are finally starting to get into that. But If you
really want to be well -rounded and well -prepared, those hard skills are not just
learning how to shoot a gun, learning how to put a tourniquet on.
It's learning those skills, obviously, but it's also learning how to drive
defensively, learning how to operate other vehicles and machinery,
learning how to fortify or build structures, learning how to grow food,
learning how to protect said name food.
Things like that will help increase your survivability and increase your ability to
deal with different environments and different threats. Sound advice there,
brother. Sound advice. You mentioned the DC shooting of those two guardsmen. Let's
tickle that subject for a second.
You go ahead and take it away and tell me what you, give me your thoughts on
that.
That's just sad. It's a sad day that we lost Americans on American soil on the
American capital. Yeah, especially when 20 years ago we were killing terrorists on
their own soil. Now they're on our soil, killing our soldiers. And that's just a
bad flip -flot for me. Well, that's the, that lone wolf attack,
that individual who breaks bad, I mean, at the end of the day, when somebody does
something like that, typically it's, it's going to be something to that effect. One,
two, even four people. We saw this in Paris and France. Right. The multiple,
the multiple squads set out throughout Paris who who overwhelmed their law enforcement
apparatus with multiple attackers and multiple areas. So their law enforcement wasn't
prepared to handle something like that and still maintain the status quo with every
other fire that happens on a regular basis. You know what I mean? Like the average
mugging, the car accidents, to everything else law enforcement already has to deal
with on a regular basis because they are already overwork, no matter where you are
in the world,
And I'm sad at how it happened. I see a lot of stuff on the Internet now,
you know, the Monday morning piggyback quarterbacking where it's like, hey,
well, they should carry with rounds in the chamber or they should have had better
preparation or it's like, dude, all the information hasn't come out yet,
not all the footage has come out yet, Or you start bashing people and doing all
that, maybe sit down and wait for it all to come out.
Yes. Well, it's easy to be that Monday morning quarterback. And I must confess, I've
been guilty of that myself because we always like to think we would know what to
do in that particular situation. But, yeah, well, number one, those guardsmen are not
allowed to carry around around the chamber, are they?
Well,
operational security and rules of engagement for the troops are whatever they have
coordinated and agreed upon. So I can't opine or speak to because let's say they
couldn't doesn't need to be public information if they couldn't because that's just
we wouldn't want to be begging for a round two gotcha okay foolish on my part to
bring that out then i didn't no no no but it's a it's a very valid question it's
it's kind of one of the reasons why like when certain people are like oh the
national guard are our bad people because they're on our soil and it's like they're
not acting as law enforcement per se. That's right. You know, like, they are not
doing the same things our law enforcement does every day. They are not, and they
are not acting as the military, how we do when we're in a city,
like, if we're in Rawa and we're running security operations in Rawa or in Iraq or
in Upper Gresh Valley in Afghanistan or in Sengen or insert third world country or
insert hostile country they're not doing that here right so they
like i said i just i just feel bad for the situation that they're in and the
impossible past that they're being asked to do and yet they still are doing an
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We have been honored to have Mr. Israel Motos on the program, giving us some very
helpful advice. If you miss the introduction and you want to hear his bona fides,
well, just go back to the beginning and click on that, and you'll hear them all.
Don't have time to repeat him at this time. But we have been picking his brain
about what we should do in this country and what we should do in each of our
states, how to prepare in the face of these threats. And Israel brought out some
very good stuff, especially about camaraderie and, you know, community and things like
that. And we'd like to touch back on the tragic D .C.
shooting. And excuse me, we've got a couple more points that he would like to make
there. Is he? Go ahead, brother. Let a rip.
Yeah, no. While we were talking over the break, it was very interesting because
You reminded me that as the information on the shooter has been coming out,
it has been disclosed that he had been acting strangely for the past several weeks.
And he had been doing things differently before this tragic incident happened. So it
reminds me, you know,
when you're building that community and you're paying attention to the people in your
environment and area, it was shocking to me how many people have come out to say
that they noticed a change in that person, and then when the event happened,
they weren't surprised, which means that there were target indicators or threat
indicators leading up to said name event. So I wonder if community,
or building that sense of community in the area could have helped mitigate said name
problem. Interesting, because especially when you do some of these spree shooters, so
many people after the fact come out and say, well, yeah, they started acting weird
and started doing this and started doing that and gave off all kinds of violent
indicators prior to there too, with nothing being done about it, of course. But
that's an excellent point. And if we are, like you said, living in that sense of
community where we do know who we're around, things like that, we are going to
notice those little anomalies and behavior. Go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. And just like
all the, I mean, how many shoot, we can't, I don't know if we can quantify this,
but how many shootings have been stopped just by kind words on a nice day? Good
question. I guess it's probably hard to calculate, but I'm sure it has happened.
Or even taking it a step further. How many times are you like, man, that person is
going to do something crazy? I'm going to go talk to that person. And then you
talk them out of it, not realizing that you just stop a crazy event.
It's entirely possible. Absolutely. Well, even people I work around,
I can tell, because I'm around them every day, I can tell when they're having a
bad day without them saying a word, without them throwing a temper tantrum, without
them doing anything, but just the look on their face is different and their eyes
look different. And I go up to them and say, man, how are you doing? What can I
do for you? I'll say a prayer with them, whatever. Anything I can help with. Yeah,
that's, That's, you know, I've never thought about this angle before and applying it
to what we're talking about. So you give me some new ammo here,
brother. Well, it's part of your environmental and situational awareness,
right? Absolutely. Because people are in your environment. The situation has changed
based off people's feelings. Yes.
So you've got to be aware of what's going on around you. Amen to that. Well, even
watching a stranger's face. Some people, you can tell when they're angry if you've
never met them before. But, you know, you can tell by the way they're holding their
face. They're mannerisms. They're breathing and flared nostrils, whatever. And they
could be a threat in waiting too. So I do that too. When my wife and I or my
family and I were out and about in public. I watch everybody's face around me and
I try to read it. I want to be aware of the threat before the threat is aware
that I'm aware, if you know what I mean. Oh, yeah. That's also what I find
interesting too is when you work around different cultures,
right? Where different areas, certain things like what you just said, culturally and
completely acceptable here and normal, making strong eye contact, good eye contact,
watching people's postures, things of that nature. Dealing with other people,
like let's say you go to, you know, Nairobi. is that is that okay to stare people
in the face or look people in the face is that
Absolutely. Absolutely. And we are, it's definitely a cultural melting pot in this
country, so we can get an education there very easily. Oh, Lord.
Oh,
my word. So let's shift gears a little bit here,
brother, unless you got some more to bring on that. Oh, what's you got? Well,
all kinds of things, actually. We know that some of these people are going to be
dressed as policemen and first responders. Sarah Superbad Adams brought that out when
she and Boone were on the program last time, and she's talked about it on the Sean
Ryan Show and beyond.
This is one of the aspects of the threat.
From what I hear, they have already procured police uniforms, ambulance attendant
uniforms, firefighter uniforms, things like that. And so they can come in
surreptitiously and get past our defenses, not just our physical defenses,
but our mental defenses, too. And you let your guard down. I would go back at one
location, and now we're talking about situations. So there is situations in the past
that we could look at where bad guys, whatever the bad guy is, terrorists,
whatever, their end goal is to kill you. Right. So we have bad guy A dressed up
as a first responder doing first responder things in the attempt to take down
yourself or your family, Right? So like that's a this occurred in Staten Island in
near 10 years ago and I'm sure there's plenty of cases Between now and then, but
this happened in Staten Island where Well, is it an individual would dress up as
NYPD undercover officer had the lights on the crown vick and everything had his
uniform Would pull women over and and attempt to do naughty things to them.
Unspeakable, ungodly things that are inappropriate, and I hope the guy burns in hell.
But he did this, right? So now we're talking from the angle of a concerned citizen.
This is a, you're not doing anything wrong. The traffic stop is not occurring as
normal. Well, how do you, as a well -prepared American citizen,
a legal citizen,
how do you handle that situation? Can you call 911 and say,
hey, I've been pulled over, and I don't know if this person is legit or not? Is
that an option? I don't know. Well, what were you doing? Were you doing something
illegal? Is this like a legit traffic stop? Are you trying to use it to get out a
jail free card? Or, you know, is this an actual terrorist action? Just like if
police come knocking on your door or first responder comes knocking on your door,
but you didn't call for them, why are they there? Are you okay to call 911 and
verify that those people are who they say they are? Or do you just open your door?
Because how many times have we seen, you know, bad people dressed up as first
responders and then try to do a home invasion. Yes. Or they dress up as not first
responders, but the Amazon mailman or the, you know,
the utilities company guy. And, oh, I got to check the meter in your garage. And
next thing you know, they're not the utility guy. They're a convicted felon who's
trying to do terrible things to you right well worse yet like they've had in
california where they have literally a 10 to 12 man team dressed up in swat gear
doing home invasions there were that was there was a rash of that in l .A. and
oakland for a while and just those things alone number one i don't answer the door
and my family knows to never answer the door you speak to whoever's out front on
the ring doorbell camera and speak through there. The door does not get open. I
don't care how many badges you're wearing. I'm not going to open the door to you.
If I don't know who you are, my door does not get open. I'm going to speak to
you through the window or through that camera, whichever is the most convenient for
me. At the same time, I have plenty of hardware and definitely on my person to
deal with that person if they are a threat. That's just how I deal with things now
because of our day and age that we live in. That's just the sad fact of the
matter. So well that's I mean if a first response like let's say if it's law
enforcement because that's like worst case scenario right. So if law enforcement's
coming to your door and they want in your house if they want it in your house if
they had a warrant there is no talking at that point. Exactly. Exactly. So there is
no, hey, open up the door, I want to speak to you, whatever, whatever. So talking
through your ring doorbell, although the police officer may or may not like it, is
irrelevant. Their feelings don't really matter in the professionalism of their job.
Amen. If they're there to ask questions, they can ask questions through the ring
doorbell. That's fine and perfectly acceptable because that protects you and that
protects them. Yes. If you got a warrant, hold it up to the camera. I'll read it.
If they have a warrant and you say no, they're coming in whether you like it or
not. Oh, absolutely. You know, like, they have a warrant. Yeah.
I don't know why they would have a warrant for me, of course. Exactly, exactly. But
that's one of the things that happen. That's why you have cases that can go bad.
Like, one of the reasons why there's no more no -knock search warrants, right? Like
they have to know
gave up and they took him into custody and he won the court case because I think
I remember hearing about that can't yeah there was there was a case like that and
it was like nobody nobody said who they were they came in they weren't wearing
their badges or uniforms properly like it was a whole quagmire why would anybody
want to make that situation now in the in the context of dealing with a terrorist
organization Well, let's talk about location again. Are you in a place where you are
going to,
if something happens to you is a maximum amount of fear going to be inflicted on
the population? Because at the end of the day, what these terrorists are trying to
do is the same thing as any Instagram influencer or TikToker. They're trying to get
influence, but through violence. Yes. Right. So they're trying to get like, shares,
and scribes, you know, but through violence. Right.
So are you in a location where if they did that to you, like let's say Gaza,
where they came across the border, attacked a bunch of people, including a music
festival, killing and raping and kidnapping over a thousand people and then,
you know, go back to their, to their point of origin and try to hold negotiations.
Yeah. They're going to try to go to places that inflict fear, just like those two
Islamists that shot up a school and shot up a downtown San Bernardino area in broad
daylight during high traffic hours because they were trying to like the max amount
of fear to the local population. Max fear and max damage, huh? Max fear,
max damage, max media attention. Yes. Yeah, they thrive on that. They really do.
So it's like that double -edged sword. Do you want to talk about them? No. Do you
have to talk about
it? You know, it's, it's a complex issue. But in general,
like the same rules that you would normally do to protect yourself, like you have a
SOP for your family. You've trained this already. Nobody opens a door. You talk to
the ring doorbell. Nobody should be offended by that. Nope. And if they are,
that's their problems as far as I'm concerned, because my safety is not contingent
upon your feelings. Yeah. And more importantly, you have a family, so you have to
take care of you and yours. Yes, sir.
area, that's a potentially high visibility area, right? Target -rich environment,
yeah. It's a target -rich environment. But do you change your life and let them win?
No. Absolutely not. No, sir. I arm myself up a little bit better.
And yes, I am somebody who has taken a gun into Disney World and didn't get
caught. Yes, I just fast. I won't speak on such things.
I also carry a hard, I also carry a non -metallic weapons, too, and we'll just
leave that right there. Well, speaking of weapons, let's check, let's talk weapons.
We're in this last little portion of the program here, brother. Let's say, let's get
beyond the EDC. Every day carry, most of us carry some sort of a 9mm handgun.
Me, I carry the highest capacity I can with extra magazines, and I always keep a
carbine in my truck, too, with a battle vest. And I keep a trauma kit and
everything, too. But let's just say, let's talk neighborhood. What kind of weapons
might be ideal for a neighborhood? Can you start slinging 5, 5, 5, 6, and 308
rounds around in your neighborhood, you could have some, you know, unintentional
damage, some collateral damage that you don't want to have. So what might be your
recommendation in this case?
Definitely not slings, okay? Blow guns? Blow guns,
yeah, yeah, yeah. No, really, any weapons fine, just choose to write ammo what
you're doing like uh for a while there people used to call me crazy but i used to
carry edc in the first round was a cc i 9mm shot shell oh and people were like
why would you carry that you're going to you're gonna someone's gonna run up on you
and you're gonna shoot them with a pistol round that's like a shot shell that does
nothing blah blah blah blah blah and it's like no I am more worried about the
water moccasins around my house. Yes. I am someone running up on me in this area.
And if it was a bear or a person, they're not getting just the first round.
They're catching whatever I'm going to throw it. Well, I was just about to say,
people don't ask you that question. Don't know you very well, do they?
They really think you're just going to shoot once? I mean, I've trained with you,
brother. I've seen you shoot, too, and I think that snake is in trouble even if
you don't have shot shells in them.
Yeah, but, you know, the whole point of the shot shell is to point out the fact
that really your environment's going to dictate like you were pointing out, right? In
a community environment,
like, let's say one of the, if I'm in Crystal
There is a good amount of water moccasins by the national parks here. There's a
good amount of rattlers and other venomous snakes. So do I really care about having
the first or even second round in my in my EDC, whether that be a 365 or a CZ
or a burrata, whatever flavor of the day I decided to carry that day? Is that more
important than being prepped for, you know, the random terrorist that I might need,
you know, some civil defense ammo or some green tip ammunition?
Right. Chances are I'll run into the snake first because of my location. Exactly. So
I will be more prepared for that. And then if I need to change, because now I'm
changing locations, I will change my ammunition. Yeah. To meet the area that I'm in.
Right.
Sometimes I don't care. Sometimes I just leave it in there because, you know,
whatever. You're going to catch probably half that mag.
Joking, joking. This better not be used in court at some later date or something.
Well, I know for one thing, you're going to shoot them until the threat is no
longer there so if that's half the mag then that's half the mag so well that's
that's part of the training yes sir but that that really does come down to it uh
what uh ammunition selection for the environment and weapon system that you have
right um there's certain ammunition that works better and like if you're carrying a
truck gun that means you you're typically it could be a pistol like an ar -style
pistol, it could be in other parts of the United States, you know, a 14 .5 inch
pin and welded to 16, or it could be just a standard 16 with a folder. Well,
what ammunition works the best out of your firearm? Because at the end of the day,
you know, even civil defense ammunition, and I love civil defense ammunition. Like,
for handguns, they are far and on none, some of the best rounds that I've ever
used. I mean, I've used that round hunting hogs and I've blown beer bottle size
holes through hogs at 30 plus yards. Wow.
So those rounds in 9mm are really, really good.
Now, would I use their standard hunting ammo if I was doing a hit on a vehicle or
I was doing a hit in a else because I was working professionally, no, because it
doesn't have the same barrier penetration as like their Overwatch line, which is
designed to penetrate barriers or the gold standard 124 grain HSTs,
the federal hydroshocks. Right. Because those are the gold standard. Those rounds have
some of like the most data from shootings is that round we have the most so we
know exactly what that round's going to do so i'm very comfortable taking that round
and whether you're in a car where they have to shoot through windows where they
have to shoot through doors where they have to shoot through materials where they
have to deal with an armored opponent i'm comfortable using that round okay well in
the last episode i made a idea gave the advice of of limited -range weapons like a
good 12 -gauge pump -action shotgun or a semi -auto shotgun. And there's so many
various types of ammo that you can use to keep from over -penetrating and hurting
your neighbor or busting out windows in their homes and things like that. Plus, if
you need to shut a vehicle down, one of those full -bore -Bernicke slugs that weigh
an ounce in a quarter can crack that engine block real freaking quick, man. And not
to mention go clean through a tango vehicle and go through the occupants too.
Because what I was talking about in the last episode, I've done some ballistics
tests with those things in junkyards. And I have put one of those things through
three vehicles, it was through the doors, of course, but through three different
vehicles in one shot. I'm like, good grief, man. this like certainly
I use one of the old school Benelli M1s back when they were imported by H &K so
people get confused when they see it because they're like, I'm like, oh, it's a
Benelli M1 and they're like, but it says H &K, and it's like, no, no, no, no, hold
on, hold on. It's not H &K, but, you know, it's still a very good shotgun.
I still keep it by bedside. But again, I know that at certain ranges different
rounds are going to act and do different things right because it's my house i know
what rounds i can use in my home i avoid all the gimmicky stuff like that ball
and chain ammo that's just crazy yeah um bird shot works great on drones it just
does you can't go wrong with that modern technology old school solution to stop
modern technology so hard
slugs are great but again you mentioned it over penetration is real oh absolutely
and even when you're dealing with a living breathing opponent that's not a lot of
mass to catch that round yeah so you're going to have over penetration double -off
buck works great I like number four bucks Yeah, number four bucks, good. Nice stuff.
All those options are amazing. Some people like 410s, double 410s,
some people like the 10 gauge is turkey guns. I'm like, hey, man, more power to
you. If your shoulder and back can take it, go for it. Shoot the largest caliber
that you can comfortably shoot at speed under stress. Yes, and a three and a half
inch magnum is not something I want to shoot at it under stress at all. I remember
turning the first round out of my turkey gun loose with that thing, and that thing
jarred my shoulder so bad that it gave me a neckache. And I had a crick in my
neck for about a week after that from that one shot. I'm like, that's it. I ain't
shoot no more of these things. I went down to three inch and two and three
quarter. I said, this is more than enough. well yeah it's like We have a group of,
like, I have a group of friends that sometimes we just, because we're always testing
out guns and equipment, and then we give, like, realistic breakdowns of like, hey,
these are some serious considerations. Like, I had a buddy who, for a year and a
half, carried the short -barreled or the pistol 300 WinMag AR -10 platform.
300 WinMag?
My word, man. That's a lot of juju. And it was a crazy,
crazy, I think it was produced by like Nemo Arms. He was like, this gun is just
ridiculous to shoot. It's expensive. It's very ballistically capable.
But you try to shoot that thing in a house with your shorts on. From waking up in
the middle of the night, you're going to blind everybody, and you're probably going
to poop your pants because you're slash banging yourself in that confined space. But
if you're outside running and gutting, it's great. Well, there's a reason I suppress
my home carbine, so I don't shatter everything around me with a peripheral blast
wave and shatter my family's eardrums in the process. Well, that is something that I
got to give you credit for because that's something a lot of people don't talk
about. They actually think it's crazy that, you know, a person would have a
suppressor. And it's like, well, and first off, in some countries, they won't let
you hunt without a suppressor. They won't let you do anything unless you have a
suppressor. So there's some countries that do that. There's some people out there
that somehow think your hearing is not going to be damaged from over 148 decibels
going off by your head repeatedly. Yeah. But whatever, I don't, you know, to each
their own, right? And then also for you to think you're Superman enough, these are
probably the same people that, you know, don't carry one in the chamber. They're
going to wake up in the middle of the night in their drawers, roll over, throw
their headphones on, turn on the light, grab their and get their significant other
family, put their headphones on, and then yell at the person to get out of the
house before opening fire. Yeah. For the person that's standing at their doorway at
3 o 'clock in the morning. Yeah. Theoretically, it sounds great, doesn't it? Oh,
yeah. Yeah, because that's realistic, right? Sure. And I like wearing fiberglass
underwear, too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But big credit to you, because people should
talk about that more. Putting a suppressor on any of your home defense guns is
going to be a force multiplier for you and your family. One, if there is a living,
breathing opponent on the other side of that door, and it is a gunfight, your
family can tell the difference between where you are and where they are. Yes, sir.
It also allows you to communicate more clearly with your family as to your
intentions. Yes. Well, we have a plan here, and that's why I tell people, at least
have a plan, and you can always work off that plan. But for one thing, everybody
in this house knows when you walk into this house, you lock the door behind you. I
don't care what door it is, back door, side door, front door, you locked the door.
I've been locked out by my own son several times and he's always apologized and I
say you better not apologize for doing exactly what I told you to do so they lock
me out all you want as long as you lock that door behind you so no one can just
walk right on in behind you then that's you know so we got a plan we got a plan
about dealing with things uh you know across the house if things go down what the
what our younger son should do when he's across the house how he should respond uh
things like that so having a plan is a big part of that.
six foot, over six foot gorilla over here, walking around, just able to manhandle
people, you know, like no one's going to want to follow you into your house, you
know, in the middle of the night. But you go to any of the border towns, places
down like in San Diego, and you're a woman or you're a female,
and you're coming out of or not late at night, it was not uncommon for people,
especially people of ill repute, to follow you to your home and then try to get
into your home, expecting you just to leave your door unlocked, because that's a
southern thing to do. Yes. For me, I grew up in New York. That's crazy you would
leave the windows and doors open. That's just blasphemy on so many levels, right?
Yes, You're asking for it. Yeah, you're asking for it. But in the South,
it's common. Around border towns, it was common. Now, not so much because the
culture has changed. And that's a sad thing either way. Like, terrorist goal is to
change how we live our lives. And whether it be terrorists or criminal, to me,
if they can change that part of your culture they're winning and that's that's bad
yeah well brother you got any uh last uh party words of advice for us before we
sign off uh stay strapped or get clapped and never forget incoming rounds always
have the right of way amen yeah and and friendly firing friendly no but Yeah,
always have that plan. Don't make it taboo. No one's Rambo.
There's prepared and trained. And then there's unprepared and untrained.
And that's unprepared and untrained is a liability. Yep. Because you can be prepared,
but if you're not trained, you're just an ammo supply point for somebody else. If
you're trained but you're not prepared, you might have to be that bad guy or you
might need to go find the
stuff to make you prepared. Don't be either. Right. And don't go to your neighbor's
house thinking they prep everything for you and your family. I mean,
you leave them a blue gun.
They can stand watching.
way, if you want to train with Israel Matos, look them up at shooting classes .com.
He's one of the founding members, and his company is DMIG,
Delta Mike, what's I?
What's it? Oh, okay, and Gullf or whatever, DMIG,
defensive marksmanship instructor group. And if you'd like to strain with Israel
Matos. I could not recommend that any more highly. He and his platoon rewrote the
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